Ditzcourse is a series of conversations with painter, body artist, writer and perfume collector Sands Murray-Wassink. Ditzcourse as in: ditzy, as in silly, but still making discourse. Thinking out loud. Sharing information. Meaning making in relation. As informal as possible.

The series is initiated by Radna Rumping who has been in conversation with Sands for some years. The gift that keeps on giving. How to edit? For each episode of Ditzcourse a guest is invited, and a keyword is suggested. Everyone brings a power object or reference to the table.

This time Megan Hoetger is joining, and the keyword is Pleasure.

Megan Hoetger is a performance researcher, curator, historian and hard femme. She grew up in California, and now lives in Amsterdam. Sands, Megan and Radna met at the end of 2019 to start a collaboration, commissioned by If I Can’t Dance, that became Gift Science Archive: a database which archives relations and nearly 2,500 studio objects from the art/life practice of Sands. Gift Science Archive is also, as Megan puts it, ‘a fierce feminist demand to centre the messiness of feelings and thoughts and sharing in our processes of meaning production, knowledge transmission and history-making’. They stayed in a continuous exchange. Now they meet at the home of Sands in Amsterdam, where he lives with his partner Robin and cat Duman.

In this episode, recorded on May 23th 2024, Sands, Megan and Radna talk about the too personal, vulvic space, anal space, being a feminist killjoy, noticing, a bad behaviour boat, and the pleasure of interpersonal connection.

A full transcript and list of references is available here.

Other episodes:

August 27th, 8PM - Introduction by Sands & Radna
September 3rd, 8PM - Spirituality, with Saras
September 17th, 8PM - Glamour, with Martín La Roche