Ditzcourse is a series of conversations with painter, body artist, writer and perfume collector Sands Murray-Wassink. Ditzcourse as in: ditzy, as in silly, but still making discourse. Thinking out loud. Sharing information. Meaning making in relation. As informal as possible.

The series is initiated by Radna Rumping who has been in conversation with Sands for some years. The gift that keeps on giving. How to edit? For each episode of Ditzcourse a guest is invited, and a keyword is suggested. Everyone brings a power object or reference to the table.

This time Saras is joining, and the keyword is Spirituality.

Saras grew up in Indonesia, and is currently based in Amsterdam. She uses storytelling, performance and photography to connect with people and to build empathetic relationships. Sands and Saras met in 2020 at de Rijksakademie, where they both were artist in residence at the time. Now they meet at the home of Sands in Amsterdam, where he lives with his partner Robin and cat Duman. The domestic is important.

In this episode, recorded on May 14th 2024, Saras, Sands and Radna talk about a religious upbringing, collecting morning dew, cave paintings, justice, the visual as an energy trace, and a work by Carolee Schneemann that is dedicated to Ana Mendieta.

A full transcript and list of references is available here.

Coming up:
September 10th, 8PM - Pleasure, with Megan Hoetger
September 17th, 8PM - Glamour, with Martín La Roche